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  Governing Body's failed doctrines blamed on Jehovah's gradual revealment

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh9w8zmgli0.

  ( starts at the 21:00 minute mark ) governing body member jeffrey winder reveals the real reason for the failed doctrines throughout the watchtower's 150 year history.

  he claims that the governing body are neither inspired or infallible.. the governing body do not need to apologize for getting doctrines wrong.. the governing body ''do their best with what they have and what they understand at the time.''.

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  joey jojo

  If an idea is subject to change, don't promote it as light from Jehovah in the first place.

  Maybe that would be a way to avoid future doctrinal problems?
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  Is there “new light” on 1914?

  by wallsofjericho in

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  i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .

  is this regarding 1914?

  or micheal the arch angel?.

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  joey jojo

  It is something that will have to be changed again at some point. 2024 seems like a good year to do it, a nice round 110 years since 1914.

  This is an announcement that could go along with a softening of the shunning policy, as a lot of dubs will probably struggle with this.
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  2023 Yearly Report UNDER the Microscope

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/pi7sn2rnrke?si=lnvklqct6nuayv2q.

  branches of jehovah’s witnesses: 85 (= down one from 86 from the previous year and quite possibly they are referring to the hong kong bethel that closed down recently).

  number of lands reporting: 239 ( =the same as 2022).

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  joey jojo

  Seems that the org has peaked and is in decline in developed countries and is increasing is developing ones.
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  So what happens next...

  by Farmer Jim1 in

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  with what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.

  in my mind these are the results;.

  1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.

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  joey jojo

  The org has made a killing in property investment over the decades. I wonder how much of their income these days comes from property and shares?

  The gb has set up the org now that the average dub must be starting to feel less invested - black screens on zoom, ticking a box for reporting hours. Its turning into nothing more than a social club that watches videos while sporting the latest hipster beards.

  No more quick builds to bring people together, witnessing fading into the background, half full Kingdom halls. It is a recipe that would seem to equal less donations in the future , so they must be counting on other revenue streams to survive.
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  A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

  by r51785 in

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  throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

  the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

  this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

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  joey jojo

  Article 1 is strange and twisted.

  Because a made up class called the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' were not formed until after 1919, anything written before then could not have been true?

  The same class today, after over 100 years in existence admits to being un-inspired and having no special knowledge and anything written by them is subject to change. At the same time they expect everything they say to be taken as seriously as if god had said it.

  Once again, trying to have it both ways. Article 1 discounts 1914 as a valid teaching and yet article 4 says all of Jesus's prophecies revolve around 1914.

  
  
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  Geoffrey Jackson has a beard now

  by Tahoe in

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  joey jojo

  Did he really want a beard, or is it just to normalise it to the dubs?

  Also, will there be a certain type of beard that is not allowed?

  Like this one??:

  
  
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  joey jojo

  How long before they drop the 1914 generation teaching- or change it again?
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  Did God know adam and eve would sin?

  by gavindlt in

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  to all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..

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  joey jojo

  This world, and everything in it only begins to make sense when you have the courage to accept that god does not exist.
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  joey jojo

  But now, for anyone capable of concentrating on a thought for more than 30 seconds at a time (I know, a tall order for most JWs) will come to the conclusion as I just did: The Governing Body just announced to the worldwide brotherhood that any and all efforts at witnessing are pointless and completely unnecessary.

  Well said.
  
  
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  The GB again claiming earthquakes prove it's the last days

  by joey jojo in

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  from jw org; 2023 - a year of anxiety:.

  “since the beginning of 2023, there have now been 13 earthquakes above magnitude 7 worldwide, one of the highest values since records began.”.

  www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk cites 3 reasons it may seem that earthquakes are increasing in intensity and number.. 1. more population growth = more people affected.. 2. clustered statistics.

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  joey jojo

  From jw org; 2023 - A year of anxiety:

  “Since the beginning of 2023, there have now been 13 earthquakes above magnitude 7 worldwide, one of the highest values since records began.”

  www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk cites 3 reasons it may seem that earthquakes are increasing in intensity and number.

  1. More population growth = more people affected.

  2. Clustered statistics. Several may happen in one year and then nothing - or fewer in between. People understandably have a tendency to notice the really bad years.

  3. Global communications and a larger number of higher quality seismic monitors deployed than ever before.

  Its interesting that they selectively use only a portion of the data to suport their claim (only earthquakes magnitude 7 or higher), and dont mention the tens of thousands of smaller earthquakes that occured in 2023 that are about the average number historically.

  I dont remember reading in the gospels that the earthquakes had to be a certain magnitude to count.